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Offline guldam

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Trailers
« on: March 14, 2008, 09:25:11 AM »
How long of a trailer? Single Axle, Double Axle, Galvanized, Painted, Aluminum, Brakes, Disc, Drum, No Brakes. Bunks, Rollers.

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Re: Trailers
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2008, 06:09:24 PM »

Buying new trailer already, Steve?  Just kidding.  I find that trailers that are long enough are usually designed for much heavier boats than the Tolman, so it's pretty typical to pick a lighter capacity trailer and then have them build you one with a longer tongue.  I went with dual axles and roller bunks on mine.  These dual axles are individually mounted on their own sets of leaf springs, not on a 'truck'.  This is better for driving over potholes since the second axle will carry the first over the hole instead of letting one wheel at a time drop in.  Since most potholes are less than 18" in size or so, this works very well in smoothing out those rough roads.  As far as the bunks go, I've fought enough wet bunks in my life ...I wanted rollers this time.  Oh yeah, my trailer was built by Road Runner in BC.

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Re: Trailers
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2008, 07:45:06 PM »
How long of a trailer? Single Axle, Double Axle, Galvanized, Painted, Aluminum, Brakes, Disc, Drum, No Brakes. Bunks, Rollers.

Custom galvie made for the weight/length of the 20' std.....1100#, single axle, no brakes, bunks...supports the hull with four bunks and I've made certain the forward part of the hull touches cross beams at two additional points plus at the pulley.......seven support points in total...and the bunks extend beyond the transom.....I get the trailer serviced annually by the maker just before leaving on the trip to BC, am on my third set of tires and have approx. 25,000 miles on the rig....carry flares, air pump/plug gun, pressurize the hubs before EVERY submersion and have had NO problems....Bruce

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Re: Trailers
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2008, 07:27:17 AM »
I bought a trailer made for a 21-23' boat and had the dealer install a 2' extended tongue. The trailer had the right weight carrying capacity and the 2' extension made it fit my almost 25' Jumbo perfectly.

  Most trailer mfg's offer extended tongues.

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Re: Trailers
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2008, 08:11:52 AM »

My Road Runner brand trailer was built for a 22' boat and 4000# load.  I wanted the Tolman further onto the trailer than what it was designed for though (better support for the transom w/motors).  Road Runner made the trailer to order with a longer tongue for me, and I adjusted bunks, bow post, and axles forward after I got it.  It has 2 axles, each on its own set of leaf springs ...which I really like, especially when driving over potholes.  Generally, when driving over a hole in the road, only one axle at a time will pass over it and the second axle (still outside the pot hole) keeps the trailer from dropping into the hole.  This is great for 'smoothing out' rough roads ...an unexpected nice surprise that I got from buying a dual-axle trailer.  I also have brakes on all 4 wheels, surge brakes that is, and roller bunks.  I've dragged enough boats over grippy wet carpet-covered wood bunks ....thought I'd try roller bunks this time.  The Road Runner rollers are large and they put on more sets than other brands, so the weight is distributed pretty well.  I adjusted the bunks so that the rollers land on either side of the main stringers and directly under heavy fillets/glass inside the boat.  The trailer is a 'saltwater' trailer, double-dip (hot) galvanized.  Total cost for this trailer was $3k ...cheaper than other brands and had a lot of extra features to boot.  My wife pulled this trailer all the way up the Alcan and it tracked and drove beautifully, but the bearings took a few hundred miles to break in (warm at first, then ran cool the rest of the way.)  Now I just need to finish the boat!

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Re: Trailers
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2008, 09:05:04 AM »
I got a caulkins roll on single axel with brakes for a 21.5" widebody. Since the boat is so light, I will not be using the brakes, or even the brake lights for that matter.  The rust color coating was free bonus! No Charge! $400 took it all.  I guess you get what you pay for.  The title was included, so I guess I got that going for me.
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Re: Trailers
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2008, 01:32:27 PM »
I got a caulkins roll on single axel with brakes for a 21.5" widebody. Since the boat is so light, I will not be using the brakes, or even the brake lights for that matter.  The rust color coating was free bonus! No Charge! $400 took it all.  I guess you get what you pay for.  The title was included, so I guess I got that going for me.

Which weighs more?  The boat or the trailer?  ;D
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Re: Trailers
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2008, 06:55:35 AM »
I got a caulkins roll on single axel with brakes for a 21.5" widebody. Since the boat is so light, I will not be using the brakes, or even the brake lights for that matter.  The rust color coating was free bonus! No Charge! $400 took it all.  I guess you get what you pay for.  The title was included, so I guess I got that going for me.

Which weighs more?  The boat or the trailer?  ;D

  Oh that's funny! But you're right. Those older roller trailers could be pretty heavy. It could be nearly 1000lbs.

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Re: Trailers
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2008, 07:40:40 AM »
I got a caulkins roll on single axel with brakes for a 21.5" widebody. Since the boat is so light, I will not be using the brakes, or even the brake lights for that matter.  The rust color coating was free bonus! No Charge! $400 took it all.  I guess you get what you pay for.  The title was included, so I guess I got that going for me.

Which weighs more?  The boat or the trailer?  ;D

  Oh that's funny! But you're right. Those older roller trailers could be pretty heavy. It could be nearly 1000lbs.

  Ken

Yes ...BUT ...Those trailers were well built for sure.  A friend of mine had an old Caulkins trailer that looked like you could do battle against tanks with it.

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Re: Trailers
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2008, 09:34:47 AM »
The caulkins was from a 21 parker, so it's heavy. It has an electronic winch on it, in case I decide my skiff gets to heavy or something.
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Re: Trailers
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2008, 06:58:07 AM »
I got a caulkins roll on single axel with brakes for a 21.5" widebody. Since the boat is so light, I will not be using the brakes, or even the brake lights for that matter.  The rust color coating was free bonus! No Charge! $400 took it all.  I guess you get what you pay for.  The title was included, so I guess I got that going for me.

Which weighs more?  The boat or the trailer?  ;D


  Oh that's funny! But you're right. Those older roller trailers could be pretty heavy. It could be nearly 1000lbs.

  Ken

Yes ...BUT ...Those trailers were well built for sure.  A friend of mine had an old Caulkins trailer that looked like you could do battle against tanks with it.

Brian

  I completely agree. That's how those old Caulkins trailer GET to be so old. :^)

  Ken
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Re: Trailers
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2008, 10:36:58 AM »
I picked up a new Venture 6200 trailer on Saturday. It is dual axle good for up to 6000 lbs will haul up to a 26 footer.

It has bunks but I think I am going to have to add a roller for the keel near the cross member.  My eyeball thinks it might not clear it.

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Re: Trailers
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2008, 11:12:23 AM »
I picked up a new Venture 6200 trailer on Saturday. It is dual axle good for up to 6000 lbs will haul up to a 26 footer.

It has bunks but I think I am going to have to add a roller for the keel near the cross member.  My eyeball thinks it might not clear it.

Pics to follow.

  I got a Venture 4000 lb cap aluminum bunk. Its a nice trailer but I did have to add rollers on the three forward crossmembers.

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Re: Trailers
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2008, 10:19:59 AM »

My Jumbo is 22' long and I bought a Road Runner 4500 Long (see http://www.roadrunnerltd.com ...the outfit in Vancouver, BC ...not the ones in Oklahoma or Texas).  It's got dual axles, each with it's own set of leaf springs, (surge) brakes on both axles, 15" wheels, hot-dip galvanized, all roller bunks, and a custom extended tongue.  It carries up to 4500# somewhat obviously.  I love the dual-axle setup where each axle is on it's own suspension.  When the axles are on a truck (pivots on the middle and allows each axle to raise/lower with the road), every wheel falls in any holes you find ...but when the axles are on their own suspension, one axle at a time passes over the potholes while the other carries the load.  This vastly improves rough-road or dirt road travel and gives the boat a much nicer ride on the rough stuff.  This is by far the best trailer I've ever owned and I got a lot more features for my money by buying Road Runner rather than King or EZ Loader etcetera.  And when I had questions, the owner answered via his cell phone ...he was out fishing and "doing business from the boat."  Gotta like that!

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Re: Trailers
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2008, 11:55:05 AM »
It's got dual axles, each with it's own set of leaf springs, (surge) brakes on both axles, 15" wheels, hot-dip galvanized, all roller bunks, and a custom extended tongue. 

My trailer is a king, dual axle with torsion suspension, surge brakes. I had to extend my tongue, overdid it and had to cut it back but it is about perfect now (regarding length). I had thought that I should maybe move my axles forward a bit but after putting the 140 on and adding a few more lbs of sir pressure to the air bags it feels pretty good. It takes the frost heaves and other irregularities in stride and doesn't seem to be jarring the boat much at all. We got one of those cheapo propane catalytic heaters for last week, 3000 btu in a kind of tri-pod configuration it sets on the floor at the entrance to the cuddy. When we got home it was still sitting in the very same spot so the rife must be fairly smooth back there.

The surge breaks got their first real test when coming from Homer back to our cabin a cow moose and calf ran out right in front of us while doing about 45 mph. I hit the breaks about as hard as I dared, felt the trailer start to shove then the brakes kicked in, there was no swerving tendency and we immediately slowed much faster. Good thing or I am sure it would have got ugly  :o
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