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Re: Jon boat with a Tolman Transom: jallii skiff
« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2022, 08:13:47 AM »
(Progress...)
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Re: Jon boat with a Tolman Transom: jallii skiff
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2023, 12:08:08 PM »
Small flipping party with a small bottle of "Yukon Jack" because it's a small hull. Jallii, how tall are you anyway? Hoary Nights!

Some action shots of mocking up the interior...
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- Dave Nolan (RIP)

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Re: Flats skiff with a Tolman Transom: jallii skiff
« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2023, 05:46:01 PM »
So damn close... Jallii, I hope you are checking this thread! You are wrong!

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- Dave Nolan (RIP)

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Re: Flats skiff with a Tolman Transom: jallii skiff
« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2023, 09:13:11 PM »
Jallii! You've been pretty quiet! Im getting close. Minor set back with the engine harness... turns out that my 'new' engine was old enough to have the old 8-pin not the new 14 pin harness, so I had to order an adaptor. And also there is a difference between gen1 and gen2 merc cables. And no adaptor kit. But there is a uflex k35 adaptor that works the B185 console mount box for gen1's... we went through all of the mercury console mount boxes but none of them fit because I used the CLC peeler console measurements and its too narrow at the top, for anything but this uflex guy. I should have known something was up when I noticed that CLC actually sells the uflex box. Next time I make one of these consoles, I will widen it enough to get a mercury box to fit.
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"HOW CHEAPLY CAN A TOLMAN SKIFF BE BUILT AND JUST HOW  MUCH IS SACRIFICED IF COST IS THE PRIME MOVER?"
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"I can tell you that either a nice BFT or a big YFT is an absolute riot on a Tolman. The boat is so light it's like the old man and the sea..."
- Dave Nolan (RIP)

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Re: Flats skiff with a Tolman Transom: jallii skiff
« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2023, 09:50:59 AM »
Still waiting on merc parts. I would say avoid partsvu... they do this thing where they say parts are 'in stock', process your order, the take 2 weeks to say 'item is processing.' I finally had to call my credit card company to have the order cancelled. This is the second time this has happened, out of 5? 6? orders. Anyway, ebay to the rescue.

Boat survey says $12,500, so I'm happy with that. Still need to make sure that 9.9hp will get it up on plane, but after walking around the boat a bit, I think I will be ok.

Dunked the Jallii skiff April first, so I could get my fish log for the season started. I was really impressed with how stable the front platform is, to stand on. I was worried it was a little high. Boat is set up for fly fishing (nothing to catch fly line on) and I am thinking about dragging it out to the fly fishing film tour event in Chatham, April 19th. Maybe see you there, Jallii!
« Last Edit: April 02, 2023, 09:53:55 AM by KenB »
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"HOW CHEAPLY CAN A TOLMAN SKIFF BE BUILT AND JUST HOW  MUCH IS SACRIFICED IF COST IS THE PRIME MOVER?"
- Bruce Armstrong   

"I can tell you that either a nice BFT or a big YFT is an absolute riot on a Tolman. The boat is so light it's like the old man and the sea..."
- Dave Nolan (RIP)

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Re: Flats skiff with a Tolman Transom: jallii skiff
« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2023, 02:17:52 PM »
Whats the final bill of materials looking like?

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Re: Flats skiff with a Tolman Transom: jallii skiff
« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2023, 06:43:40 AM »
$6266
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- Dave Nolan (RIP)

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Re: Flats skiff with a Tolman Transom: jallii skiff
« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2023, 09:32:53 AM »
Awesome.  thanks Ken

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Re: Flats skiff with a Tolman Transom: jallii skiff
« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2023, 05:03:08 AM »
12 knots down wind, 9 knots up wind. Very stable though, Lucyyy was jumping all over the casting deck, rear seats, while under way. Pretty happy with how she turned out, listed for sale. The hydraulic steering was a big win.

Lucyyy pointed up a swan, and we saw an osprey with a herring snack. Happy summer to all.
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"HOW CHEAPLY CAN A TOLMAN SKIFF BE BUILT AND JUST HOW  MUCH IS SACRIFICED IF COST IS THE PRIME MOVER?"
- Bruce Armstrong   

"I can tell you that either a nice BFT or a big YFT is an absolute riot on a Tolman. The boat is so light it's like the old man and the sea..."
- Dave Nolan (RIP)

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Re: Flats skiff with a Tolman Transom: jallii skiff
« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2023, 06:51:41 AM »
Seatrailed with 2 guys, and she won't plane. At first I thought about swapping out a 15hp or a 20hp before common sense kicked in; she's a small boat! She's narrow. She planes great with one person.  Adding more HP doesn't change that she's a small boat and 500 lbs of beef is a lot of weight; she drops almost 2 inches into the water with the extra beef. I also considered swapping the 8.5P for a 9.5P prop, but I think its better to let the new owner decide on that. A 9.5P should touch 20 mph, but I don't know that I would do that with any chop around, and right now she's propped to pop right up on plane with one person at the console.

I used to run my widebody with a pitched out DF140... consider me reformed!

I think she'd be happiest on a lake/pond with the 10hp restriction. She can carry two or three people safely, and runs best when all the weight in at the console. Jumps right on plane, and the motor just hums along.

Jallii - if you want me to send you a video of her on plane, drop me your email address! (25mbs for a 22 sec video); Im really impressed with how stable she runs.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2023, 06:59:07 AM by KenB »
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"HOW CHEAPLY CAN A TOLMAN SKIFF BE BUILT AND JUST HOW  MUCH IS SACRIFICED IF COST IS THE PRIME MOVER?"
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- Dave Nolan (RIP)

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Re: Flats skiff with a Tolman Transom: jallii skiff
« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2023, 05:46:35 AM »
I finally swapped the 9.9hp for a 20hp with trim. What an improvement! 20 knots! She flies and is stable.  I was worried that 20 knots in a 400lb skiff would knock the boat all over the place, but that Tolman-style bow just plows right through. If anyone wants an 8 sec video of her at speed, or the plans, send me an email address.

That 20hp is the correct engine for this boat. Jallii was right and I was wrong; its a bad idea to design a boat based on an engine... much better to build the thing then try a few different engines. Anyway, keep an eye out in the 'soundings' section of wooden boat!

Jallii Skiff back up for sale: https://capecod.craigslist.org/boa/d/falmouth-15-jallii-skiff-20hp-merc/7684319178.html
9.9hp for sale: https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/bpo/d/falmouth-new-mercury-4stroke-99hp-f99el/7684314064.htm
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"HOW CHEAPLY CAN A TOLMAN SKIFF BE BUILT AND JUST HOW  MUCH IS SACRIFICED IF COST IS THE PRIME MOVER?"
- Bruce Armstrong   

"I can tell you that either a nice BFT or a big YFT is an absolute riot on a Tolman. The boat is so light it's like the old man and the sea..."
- Dave Nolan (RIP)

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Re: Flats skiff with a Tolman Transom: jallii skiff
« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2023, 08:16:20 AM »
HEY JALLII!

Did you see p. 84 of this month's wooden boat (jan/feb 2024)????  We did it!

You were right about not building a skiff based on what motor you have (the 20hp I have on there is much better than the 9.9...) And I was right that shrinking the Tolman dimensions and adjusting them to align with scaling factors derived from the regular, widebody and jumbo skiffs, result in an awesome boat!
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"HOW CHEAPLY CAN A TOLMAN SKIFF BE BUILT AND JUST HOW  MUCH IS SACRIFICED IF COST IS THE PRIME MOVER?"
- Bruce Armstrong   

"I can tell you that either a nice BFT or a big YFT is an absolute riot on a Tolman. The boat is so light it's like the old man and the sea..."
- Dave Nolan (RIP)

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Re: Flats skiff with a Tolman Transom: jallii skiff
« Reply #27 on: February 28, 2024, 05:27:29 AM »
Proof.
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"HOW CHEAPLY CAN A TOLMAN SKIFF BE BUILT AND JUST HOW  MUCH IS SACRIFICED IF COST IS THE PRIME MOVER?"
- Bruce Armstrong   

"I can tell you that either a nice BFT or a big YFT is an absolute riot on a Tolman. The boat is so light it's like the old man and the sea..."
- Dave Nolan (RIP)