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Title: 23-6 Wide Body Complete!
Post by: Arne K on January 18, 2013, 09:16:49 PM
Over the past couple of evenings I've been able to get Matt K's boat out of my shop and sort materials. Tonight I glued the bottom panel scarfs. I plan on getting a couple of full days in this weekend.

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7328.jpg)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: flatsjunky on January 19, 2013, 05:54:42 AM
WOOOOOWEEEE I'm sited for ya.  Your gona enjoy the success of each step. Keep us posted.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Grady300 on January 19, 2013, 06:08:40 AM
Arne
Good to see ya getting started feel free to call with any questions
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: flatsjunky on January 19, 2013, 06:35:52 AM
Aren't you soppose to be on an airplane Chuck?
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Grady300 on January 19, 2013, 07:20:37 AM
Aren't you soppose to be on an airplane Chuck?
Not till Monday AM. I'm going to get my self dispensing epoxy pump set up today and build an insulated storage box for it with a light bulb in it. I also want to get some of my light fixtures in the ceiling replaced they get hot and always seam to shut off on the side of the boat I was working on while building my WB a real pain in the A**
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: luk diver on January 19, 2013, 08:38:54 AM
 Built the epoxy cart from a old cart from work. The 5g buckets were dispensed into 1g milk jugs. Lightbulb was in base at one end and jugs accessible thru dropin hatch. Pump on top with insulated wood cover to keep warm. Only downside was it was easy to dispense epoxy so we went thru L-O-T-S. But then again we wanted a strong build (messedup ocean, mods such as divedoor & HD davit,etc.). B & B
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on January 19, 2013, 10:51:31 AM
Got the transom glued up this morning.

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7329.jpg)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on January 19, 2013, 06:44:08 PM
Got the sides scarfs, gunwales (shelves), and chines glued up. Jig building day tomorrow.

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Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on January 19, 2013, 06:45:41 PM
This is my high tech epoxy dispensing station.

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7333.jpg)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on January 19, 2013, 06:48:14 PM
Hard to find good help these days.....

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Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Grady300 on January 19, 2013, 08:06:48 PM
Ya got to quit keeping your shop so clean your making the rest of us look like slobs. At the rate your going you'll get her in the water this year no problem.
Tell Matt if he falls asleep on the Grady like that he will have to clean the boat all by himself this summer.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: flatsjunky on January 19, 2013, 09:23:21 PM
Man are you getting things done.  Chucks right, you gotta mess that shop up some.  Don't wear youself out enjoy the build.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on January 20, 2013, 05:33:55 PM
Jig building went quick this morning...
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7342.jpg)

So I drug the bottom panels out...
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7346.jpg)

Matt helped me stitch them...
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Went ahead and stitched the chines on at the same time...
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7361.jpg)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Grady300 on January 20, 2013, 05:58:48 PM
Run Forest Run, making record time you might have to send your wife to the day spa since it looks like your on it 24/7.. Good job
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on January 20, 2013, 07:49:46 PM
It's just going amazingly smooth. 1 hour Thursday + 2 hours Friday + 8 hours Saturday, + 7 hours today. That includes 2 trips to the hardware store. Even had time to do a few honey-do's in between so no one feels neglected.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Grady300 on January 20, 2013, 09:09:05 PM
It's just going amazingly smooth. 1 hour Thursday + 2 hours Friday + 8 hours Saturday, + 7 hours today. That includes 2 trips to the hardware store. Even had time to do a few honey-do's in between so no one feels neglected.
That's what I like to hear!! Got bless kits to help build faster and fish sooner!
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: flatsjunky on January 21, 2013, 07:45:44 AM
Did you glue the bottom on?
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: David Nolan on January 21, 2013, 09:52:16 AM
Be careful of your sons eyes under there w that steel.     I got whacjed s couple times until i started nipping them off tight.     Check everything before you glue.   Easy to get a sag.   Nice work!!!!
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on January 21, 2013, 07:13:10 PM
I went ahead and stitched the chines on prior to gluing the fairbody/keel joint. I haven't seen anyone else do this but couldn't think of a reason not to. I was thinking it would help line things up a little better.

The book calls out a control dimension on the Jumbo for the correct width a certain distance back from the front of the bottom panels but I can't find anything like this for the Wide Body. The end of the bottom panels can flex up and down quite a bit, causing the chines to flare out or compress in. I'd like to get this figured out before I start filleting.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: adam_kondrashoff on January 21, 2013, 07:45:54 PM
Hi Arne, I don't have the dimension that you are looking for, but I do have a tip.  Before you fillet and tape the fairbody or keel, make sure it is flat, from the transome forward.  You could do this with a straight 2X4X8' screwed parallel with the fairbody.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Grady300 on January 21, 2013, 07:53:43 PM
Hi Arne, I don't have the dimension that you are looking for, but I do have a tip.  Before you fillet and tape the fairbody or keel, make sure it is flat, from the transome forward.  You could do this with a straight 2X4X8' screwed parallel with the fairbody.
Adam I did the same thing but mine was out near the chine. Are you suggesting  Doing it closer to the fairbody? That makes sense to me maybe 10" out?
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: adam_kondrashoff on January 21, 2013, 09:23:04 PM
Hi Arne, I don't have the dimension that you are looking for, but I do have a tip.  Before you fillet and tape the fairbody or keel, make sure it is flat, from the transome forward.  You could do this with a straight 2X4X8' screwed parallel with the fairbody.
Adam I did the same thing but mine was out near the chine. Are you suggesting  Doing it closer to the fairbody? That makes sense to me maybe 10" out?

Yes, leave enough room to fillet and tape the fairbody, 10" should do it.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on January 22, 2013, 07:37:39 PM
I resolved my dilemma and addressed Adam's advice at the same time by temporarily installing the stringers with screws on 16" centers. That pulled everything into alignment. I'm glad I did because there was about 3/4" of sag between the two molds. Peanut butter for dinner tomorrow night!
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on January 27, 2013, 09:55:29 PM
Didn't have nearly the impressive progress this weekend as I had last. My helper spent the weekend at his Grandpa's and really put a hitch in my giddyup. Anyway, fillets got done on the keel and chines on weeknights and I was able to glass the inside of the bottom yesterday. Today I taped the outside of the keel and chines and also glassed the inside of the transom.

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7364.jpg)

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7369.jpg)

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Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on January 28, 2013, 06:46:27 PM
Hoisted the bottom up out of the way. Building the jig tomorrow night.

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7371.jpg)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on January 29, 2013, 08:39:12 PM
Assembled the molds this evening and mounted them on the jig. Then clamped the gunwales onto the molds and put in a temporary screw to fasten them at the bow.



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Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Cannon on January 29, 2013, 08:48:08 PM
I am in the process of starting a GA just down the road from you in Salem. I am really enjoying watching you put your boat together and getting pretty antsy about getting mine underway. Keep up the good work and keep posting the photos and the log!
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: narvik on January 30, 2013, 02:54:04 AM
Very nice build,
thanks for the pictures.
My wide body is in a similar shape. Bottom glued and glassed on the inside, transom glued up. I had the same idea about hoisting up the bottom, but it seems that you have a bit more shop space. I struggle with a very tight fit, have to move tools and equipment all the time.
Looking forward to see more pics.
Peter
 
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: AlasKen on January 30, 2013, 03:08:35 PM
A quick suggestion.  It may be me but when I get tired I will have brain farts.  Along with H anf R and added 1 and 2 to remind me, or a helper, of the correct ratio.  Just a thought based on my own mistakes.  Ken

This is my high tech epoxy dispensing station.

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7333.jpg)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on January 30, 2013, 08:10:05 PM
Got the bow stem and transom in place and braced to angle this evening.

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Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Grady300 on January 31, 2013, 03:46:55 AM
A quick suggestion.  It may be me but when I get tired I will have brain farts.  Along with H anf R and added 1 and 2 to remind me, or a helper, of the correct ratio.  Just a thought based on my own mistakes.  Ken

This is my high tech epoxy dispensing station.

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7333.jpg)
Sooooooo true been there and done that a few times or the other one is " how many pumps was that" one of the reasons I got the Michales Pump for the next build. I know some of my ratios were off because I have 1 gallon of res. left and only 1/4 gallon of harder left 2:1 ratio
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: jim shula on January 31, 2013, 04:32:13 AM
When I was at this point in my widebody build I detected a little sag in the shelves where they are cantilevered past the last shelf mold.  The weight of the transom caused them to sag downward beyond the last shelf mold, also causing the shelf section in front of the mold to lift upwards.  At that point I drove a support under the shelf right at the end to make a nicer sheer line.  I left the support in place until the sides were hung.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: adam_kondrashoff on January 31, 2013, 06:16:30 AM
When I was at this point in my widebody build I detected a little sag in the shelves where they are cantilevered past the last shelf mold.  The weight of the transom caused them to sag downward beyond the last shelf mold, also causing the shelf section in front of the mold to lift upwards.  At that point I drove a support under the shelf right at the end to make a nicer sheer line.  I left the support in place until the sides were hung.
Me too, I had to re check my shelves, and found an un fair bend, that I was able to adjust.  I also learnded that when hanging sided panels, don't over tighten the side panels to the the framing, the screw can suck the panel in too far and cause a slight warp (this happend aft of the front panel scarf).  I was able to fill the hollow with epoxy and fairing, but I will be more careful to let the panels bend more naturally next time.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on January 31, 2013, 06:52:26 AM
I did notice the shelves wanting to sag past the rear mold and braced them with a couple of 2X's. This got me thinking about the curvature of the sheer and I realized that since I stretched my Wide Body by 22", the shelves are hanging past the aft mold farther and are therefor closer to the floor at the aft tips than on one built to spec. The aft tips of the shelves are 1" lower than they are at the aft mold. This will lower the stringers in relation to everything from station 6 forward. One solution might be to move the aft mold 22" so that the transom is sitting at the intended height. This would also increase the distance between the aft mold and the station 6 mold, possibly creating a need for an additional mold in between the two with a different width and elevation. Any thoughts on this?
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: brook on January 31, 2013, 07:37:55 AM
My widebody is 22' 6". I ended up bracing up the transom with a couple of small store bought saw horses that just happended to fit the need. You will need to do something, and with your a foot longer than what I have, I would put something on the end, like what I did or extend the jig and add a nother mold. This is also a good time to take a long lood at you shear line and figure out what you want it to look like.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: jim shula on January 31, 2013, 08:16:20 AM
I think Renn says in the book to install the stringers level (assuming the jig is level).  To do that you'd just need to adjust the height of the fwd stringer temporary support.  In intentionally made mine a little short so I could adjust to level with shims.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on January 31, 2013, 08:42:16 AM
By adjusting the stringers down to match the transom, that will lower the bottom in relation to  the stem. Not a big deal?
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: jim shula on January 31, 2013, 10:05:18 AM
I don't think so since you slide the bottom rearward and forward to get it to make contact with the bowstem.  Then you start hacking away on the bowstem (remember the hatchet) until you get a good fit.  On my widebody I let the bottom panels into the bowstem 1/4"-3/8" so they'd transition into the 3/8" sides better.  I think Jerry and other guys have done this as well, but it isn't as important on a widebody or jumbo considering the chine flats hide this transition pretty well.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Grady300 on January 31, 2013, 06:53:48 PM
I think Renn says in the book to install the stringers level (assuming the jig is level).  To do that you'd just need to adjust the height of the fwd stringer temporary support.  In intentionally made mine a little short so I could adjust to level with shims.
I'm may be wrong here or not understanding what your saying but seams backwards to me. If your building jig is level and you build the forward temp support to speck seams like you would dry fit the stringers to the transom then shim the transom up until the stringers are level.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on January 31, 2013, 08:02:11 PM
I think Renn says in the book to install the stringers level (assuming the jig is level).  To do that you'd just need to adjust the height of the fwd stringer temporary support.  In intentionally made mine a little short so I could adjust to level with shims.
I'm may be wrong here or not understanding what your saying but seams backwards to me. If your building jig is level and you build the forward temp support to speck seams like you would dry fit the stringers to the transom then shim the transom up until the stringers are level.


That makes sense to me.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on January 31, 2013, 08:08:24 PM
My widebody is 22' 6". I ended up bracing up the transom with a couple of small store bought saw horses that just happended to fit the need. You will need to do something, and with your a foot longer than what I have, I would put something on the end, like what I did or extend the jig and add a nother mold. This is also a good time to take a long lood at you shear line and figure out what you want it to look like.

I assumed that the Renn spaced the molds so as to create the proper sheer. Is this something that many builders modify to much extent?
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: brook on January 31, 2013, 08:48:51 PM
I mainly am refering to the aft section, differences are subtle, but can be played with a bit. More aesthetic than functional.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Grady300 on January 31, 2013, 10:14:17 PM
My widebody is 22' 6". I ended up bracing up the transom with a couple of small store bought saw horses that just happended to fit the need. You will need to do something, and with your a foot longer than what I have, I would put something on the end, like what I did or extend the jig and add a nother mold. This is also a good time to take a long lood at you shear line and figure out what you want it to look like.

I assumed that the Renn spaced the molds so as to create the proper sheer. Is this something that many builders modify to much extent?
Since yours is 23 1/2' it makes sence the the aft mold holding the sheer should extend some distance aft. I'm not sure if it should be the full 26" that the boat was extended or something less?
I know the GA plans are for a 26' model in the manual it gives different spacing for the sheer molds for the 25' 27&28' version. Just saying :)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: kiwi les on February 01, 2013, 05:55:13 AM
I extended my wide body about 3ft or so - yet to measure properly yet, and made no changes to shelf heights etc as the measurements to be changed were so small. To set the sheer was not to easy for me because I did not have the room to stand back and visualize, but stayed within the confines of the plans, though I did add a little to the bow. I had also decided to add 3" to the whole of the deck height as well. This was done after having several boats that were, I felt a little low to be comfortable for me so I went off and measured a few commercially built boats, hence the 3". I played around with the deck sheer only a little, and was easy to do.
I had all former's bolted to the floor, leveled and set as per the book. In hind site, another 6" higher would have been better for me as I did a huge amount of work under the hull, including putting on the deck. This enabled me to work out the deck width by measuring out from the sole height 3" and dropping a plumb bob. The 3" is the normal amount given for a comfortable toe step. From memory it worked out about 13". I was then able to glass the underside.
Else ware, a long time ago, I posted how I did the sides by myself, and will again try to remember.
At the bow, there is a point on the sides called I think the transition point, though not mentioned in the book, but is a natural phenomena where it is an unnatural bend. Renn fixes this with the axe on the stem. I fixed it like this
When laying on the front side panel ( scarf two sheets together only,(I also made a pattern), both ends are supported against the sheer siting on blocks, I scribed along the chine, and cut with plenty of spare.
This where it gets a little tricky. Measure back from the stem on both sides about 2ft. This will be your transition point. Measure in the thickness of the ply you are using for the sides, and  From that point measure back further, another 3 ft and mark. Take a flexible timber and mark from the inside point of the front mark in a gentle curve to the back mark so you have a curved wedge. cut this out. now lay your side panel in position, and mark the transition point on it. climb inside the boat and mark the side panel from the transition point forward on the underside of the chine flat. That forward section of the side panel is then cut out and fitted so it goes underneath the chine flat, aft of that point it lays against the side. be careful cutting that piece out, cutting well above the mark so you can trim it up for a good fit. A couple of blocks of wood with cellotape on them are screwed on the outside fitting against the chine flat, to hold the panel fair. screw also to the bow stem!  If there is a big gap don't worry thickened glue is a wonderful gap filler.
By doing it this way, the stem is whole, and with the side panels on, the stem has a naturally fared line, fitting in properly with the chine flats. It is also the proper way to do it. Indecently, I put on both sides of my boat, by myself in one day. I used blocks clamped to the underside with a spacer on the sheer, supported to the ground so the sheer didn't sag, and spaced where the ply sheets finished for them to sit on. the offset (gap) where two ply's came together was marked, trimmed and then scarfed at both ends but on opposite sides, laid in place and the next sheet done the same. Even in gluing up, the sheets rested on the blocks (which were supported to the ground) and pulled away a little. The scarf joint was supported by screwing through timber flats.  A screw was put in each of the top corners and pulled out one at a time to allow me to put glue in along the chine flat. I climbed inside the boat and popped the side out a little to put the glue along the sheer, and scarf. Of all the parts of the project, that was the most satisfying part. There was no heavy lifting, and did not need the services of any one to help. There was also no worries about trying to handle a large panel! Later on when cured, I glassed the inside join and panels. Its kinda nice under there, and I spent a bit of time pondering with the cat on my lap!
Its about 2.30am and I'm getting paid for this. Its also near the end of my shift and later today I have a yachting regatta to attend. Going straight there and sleeping in a tent till some bugger wakes me.
I hope the water wasn't to muddy in my explanation, but I am just a little tired (read shagged) I don't mind if anyone has any thoughts about this of coarse, that's what this forum is all about. Chin Chin

les
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on February 01, 2013, 06:50:16 AM
Has anyone run their shelves/gunwales flat from a certain point back? I plan to build up the shelves a little differently than most by adding a 4" box section on top of the shelves at the sides of the cockpit around to the splash well. It would be easier to build on a flat sheer but I don't know Tolman would look with a flat sheer from the pilot house back.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: brook on February 01, 2013, 07:15:32 AM
If you know what you want, now is the time.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: David Nolan on February 01, 2013, 01:49:11 PM
Just adjust the
Molds to what you want.   There is not that much sweep in the aft part of the boat anyway.  No worry(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/02/ebyhutez.jpg)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: jim shula on February 02, 2013, 03:59:50 AM
Another thing to consider...if you set the transom at the 12 degree or 15 degree angle you decided to go with, then you notice the shelves the shelves sagging beyond the last shelf mold, if you prop the end of the shelf up now it will throw your transom angle off.  Therefore, get your shelfs set, then adjust the transom to the required angle. 
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Grady300 on February 02, 2013, 04:01:53 AM
Another thing to consider...if you set the transom at the 12 degree or 15 degree angle you decided to go with, then you notice the shelves the shelves sagging beyond the last shelf mold, if you prop the end of the shelf up now it will throw your transom angle off.  Therefore, get your shelfs set, then adjust the transom to the required angle. 

Good point Jim!!
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on February 10, 2013, 08:02:32 PM
 Getting caught up on posting. This is as of last weekend.

 I followed the advice of setting the stringer horse to specified height (minus taller stringer height) and leveled the transom to match. It looks right to me.


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Then got the bottom panels glued on and the bottom tips ended up exactly at the specified distance to the gunwale tips.

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7385_zps02a16b16.jpg)

Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on February 10, 2013, 08:14:08 PM
Did some work with the grinder and got the rough spots and runs knocked down. Then cut and fit the rear framing members.

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Temporarily hung the port side panel and got it marked.

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7391_zpsdfdba944.jpg)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Grady300 on February 11, 2013, 07:43:17 PM
You are approaching an exciting point. When I got my first side on it looked like a boat from one side anyway. I enjoyed it
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: David Nolan on February 12, 2013, 06:12:13 AM
nice job.   Good pics too.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on February 23, 2013, 02:14:58 PM
Both sides are glued on now and the chine to side joints filled. Started grinding today and will finish the day sanding. Hope to get a good start on fairing tomorrow.

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/DSCF7396_zpsbf780be7.jpg)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Grady300 on February 26, 2013, 05:42:57 PM
Hey Arne you heading down to the SSS in Salem this weekend. Ill have my Tolman on display there. You stretched wide body is looking good. 
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on February 26, 2013, 06:07:24 PM
I'm actually headed to Sisters this weekend. Otherwise, I'd stop and check it out.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: mountaintolman on February 26, 2013, 06:42:57 PM
hello . . .
sorry to butt in on this post, but I've been following it (eager to start my Tolman one of these years) and noticed a reference to the "SSS" in Salem?
What is that?  A boat show?
Thanks
Tom
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Cannon on February 26, 2013, 06:48:11 PM
hello . . .
sorry to butt in on this post, but I've been following it (eager to start my Tolman one of these years) and noticed a reference to the "SSS" in Salem?
What is that?  A boat show?
Thanks
Tom

Salt Water Show in Salem this weekend.
http://www.ifish.net/board/showthread.php?t=443927
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: dero on February 28, 2013, 03:47:17 PM
I've been considering building a GA or 24' Jumbo and have been following the discussions.  Grady 300, will you be in Salem at the show on Sunday?  I'd like to talk with you about your GA build and kits.  If so I would drive down.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Grady300 on February 28, 2013, 03:54:42 PM
I've been considering building a GA or 24' Jumbo and have been following the discussions.  Grady 300, will you be in Salem at the show on Sunday?  I'd like to talk with you about your GA build and kits.  If so I would drive down.

Absolutely I will have my Tolman on Display both Saturday and Sunday if I am in a seminar just stop back by or text me when you want to meet 541-653-7838 or feel free to call. I will have info on both boats And pictures with me.
Chuck
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on April 13, 2013, 10:23:03 PM
I'm finally over my cold and back in the saddle. Put in 12 hours today and got all of the glass on the exterior. Tomorrow I'll put on a coat of epoxy to fill the weave.

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7408_zps08dba8cf.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7408_zps08dba8cf.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on April 14, 2013, 08:08:56 PM
Put on a coat of epoxy partially thickened with Cabosil this morning then another coat of epoxy thickened with Cabosil an Microspheres this evening. Will make putty tomorrow night and do some fairing.

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7410_zps15c1b3cb.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7410_zps15c1b3cb.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: UB on April 16, 2013, 07:06:42 PM
Nice job!  I see that your forward scarfs are farther forward on yours than my 23 WB.  I had an 8 footer from the bow so ended up further back.  Did you scarf in place or do it before mounting?
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on April 16, 2013, 07:16:59 PM
I made all of the scarfs (except the 2nd layer of 1/4") in the flat.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: UB on April 18, 2013, 07:03:12 PM
That explains why yours are so much prettier than mine!
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Marty on April 19, 2013, 09:08:22 PM
Looking good!!

it's getting exciting now!!

There is nothing prettier than a freshly glassed tolman hull...Well, maybe not nothing?  At any rate, your hull looks beautiful keep up the good work!!
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on June 08, 2013, 06:03:25 PM
Finally got the fairing done. It's ready for the graphite/epoxy bottom coating.

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7434_zps8899f796.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7434_zps8899f796.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on June 09, 2013, 09:46:20 PM
Got the bottom coating on. Spray rails are next.

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7444_zpsf0207ff4.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7444_zpsf0207ff4.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Randy Zimmerman on July 07, 2013, 05:43:14 AM
Your hull looks great! I'm excited for your flip.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Grady300 on July 07, 2013, 05:58:26 AM
Arne,
She's looking like another Tolman that might be sporting a 5 foot finish, looks great!! Your fairing looks like you spent a lot of time. Salmon in the Siletz and Albis are right around the corner, Ill be in contact when they get in full swing and you and your sone can help me rip some lip's
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on July 21, 2013, 04:57:02 PM
Got the spray rails on and the first coat of primer. Hoping to flip next weekend!

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7510_zps64307332.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7510_zps64307332.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Randy Zimmerman on July 21, 2013, 07:46:53 PM
Arne - paint looks great! I was wondering if you applied a primer? Did you spray or roll on your paint?  

Your flip will be awesome!
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on July 21, 2013, 09:20:11 PM
Just one coat of primer so far, rolled on. At least two more coat of primer to go. 
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on July 29, 2013, 06:33:55 PM
Hit a milestone this weekend!

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/IMG_3355_zps00b9dd02.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/IMG_3355_zps00b9dd02.jpg.html)

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/IMG_0333_zps4fff0ee6.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/IMG_0333_zps4fff0ee6.jpg.html)

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/IMG_0336_zps6c5265b9.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/IMG_0336_zps6c5265b9.jpg.html)

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7513_zps8a8be77c.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7513_zps8a8be77c.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on July 29, 2013, 06:39:41 PM
On the trailer by the end of the day. Yes, the trailer is a little short...for now.

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7520_zps513d2f41.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7520_zps513d2f41.jpg.html)

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/IMG_3361_zpsd754834e.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/IMG_3361_zpsd754834e.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Lyle on July 29, 2013, 07:35:03 PM
Congrats on the flip. Fitting out the inside is rewarding. Neat the way you put the coupler on the building frame. I didn't see any Yukon Jack in the pics......  Enjoy.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Randy Zimmerman on July 29, 2013, 07:47:29 PM
Congratulations on the flip! I'm sure your son was excited to be part of process. Good luck getting the rest of it fitted out.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Grady300 on July 29, 2013, 08:08:33 PM
Way to go Arne congrats. The Salmon are just starting on the Siletz, September and October are the best months. We will try to get out in September for a trip if its to rough for tuna on the big pond we can fish salmon
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: chuck9982 on July 29, 2013, 11:59:26 PM
Congratulations on the flip!
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on September 03, 2013, 09:14:01 PM
In the past few weeks, I've glassed all of the interior joints, built the flotation tank, and installed the anchor deck. Going to cap the gunwales in the next couple of evenings and then work on the cuddy cabin.

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7589_zpsd29d8d65.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7589_zpsd29d8d65.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: SmokinFletch on September 04, 2013, 06:28:56 PM
looks good
you are making great progress.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on September 14, 2013, 04:40:12 PM
Got the gunwales partially capped and the cuddy cabin tacked together. Will fair and fiberglass it tomorrow.

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7594_zps02a036d7.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7594_zps02a036d7.jpg.html)

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7595_zpsa61655a5.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7595_zpsa61655a5.jpg.html)

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7596_zps98d05f95.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7596_zps98d05f95.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on September 14, 2013, 08:40:17 PM
52 gallons...

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7610_zps04141570.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7610_zps04141570.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Easygoing on September 14, 2013, 10:05:28 PM
Coming along, Arne!  Where did you get your fuel tank?
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on September 14, 2013, 10:45:45 PM
I know a Sheet Metal Worker ;)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Grady300 on September 15, 2013, 02:55:23 AM
I know a Sheet Metal Worker ;)

Haha Arne I know your little secret!! Looking good that tank looks sweet as does the rest of her. Got me a 30 lb nookie on the Siletz recently it finally turning on. I've only been out on the pond a few times. September and October are the best months. Check you schedule the last of September first few weeks in October let me know what's a good weekend to meet for some Salmon fishing. I think the tuna are going to have to wait for the GA To get done.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on October 07, 2013, 07:21:06 PM
The pilothouse is coming together...

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/2013-10-07183759_zps8f741ded.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/2013-10-07183759_zps8f741ded.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: LittleGoat on October 09, 2013, 08:18:17 AM
I saw the updates on iFish and I was wondering when you would update here...  :D
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Grady300 on October 14, 2013, 03:55:34 AM
Nice pilot house!!!
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: kiwi les on October 17, 2013, 01:55:47 PM
Nice pilot house!!!

 sorry, but I had a long laughing fit over this. For some reason I kept on hearing the words " you have a nice camel toe"!!

les
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: jim shula on October 17, 2013, 02:33:58 PM
Arne, where'd you get the gas tank?
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on October 17, 2013, 05:27:51 PM
Arne, where'd you get the gas tank?

It's my design and construction. I'll be be pressure testing it and labeling it per USCG requirements.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on October 23, 2013, 08:00:06 PM
Pilot house is assembled!

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7618_zps9d5a767b.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7618_zps9d5a767b.jpg.html)

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7627_zps330743d6.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7627_zps330743d6.jpg.html)

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7624_zpsec234c1b.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7624_zpsec234c1b.jpg.html)

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7628_zpse0036700.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7628_zpse0036700.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: LittleGoat on October 24, 2013, 09:11:53 AM
Looking good. I like how the windows match the shape of the cuddy roof... or is it the other way around?  ??? :P
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Frank Olsen on October 24, 2013, 04:30:46 PM
Nice work. I like the smooth transition from the upper to the lower cabin side panels tapering to nothing at the aft end. Did you just make a saw cut in order to straighten the upper panel for the window? Looks nice
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on October 24, 2013, 05:25:10 PM
 Yep, windows were designed after the cuddy was built. I mocked them up with CDX to make sure I got all of the angles right and to get a visual on how the windows would align with the rest of the boat. I made slight modifications until they looked like they do now.
 The sides of the 'house were installed in one piece then ripped in place from the windshield back to the aft bulkhead with a thin kerf blade to let the top halves swing to where they needed to. I ripped a 1x2 down the middle at 12* to make a shelf on the inside of the bottom half to fillet the top half to.
 
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Lyle on October 24, 2013, 06:25:32 PM
Hand rails looking good also.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on October 24, 2013, 07:14:54 PM
Hand rails looking good also.

Thanks. A local building supply surplus store has 5/4 x 6 "Garapa" for a couple bucks a foot. It appears to be some type of mahogany and the color varies quite a bit between pieces. I picked some that looked like the color would go well and I'm really pleased with how it came out. I'm going to get some more trim across the dash to finish off the bright work.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: jtcustoms on October 24, 2013, 08:13:47 PM
Very nice work on your build here I am going to be starting a widebody soon and am taking notes
couple of questions on the pic with your belly tank first will it be off the floor on a mat or lugs or something
second kinda hard to tell from the pics but did you weld in baffles in your tank? Not seeing any heat affected  zone on the wrapper
Again very nice build
JT
 
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on October 25, 2013, 06:19:41 PM
No baffles in the tank. I'll be gluing 2x2 UHMW shims to the bottom of it to keep the tank out of contact with the hull.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: jtcustoms on October 25, 2013, 08:19:08 PM
The only reason I ask is I work for a company that makes tanks for alot of the major alum. Manufacturers I dont work in the tank shop I work in the fabrication shop (much nicer) man those guys are always black with soot, takes a special breed of person to work there.  Anyway seeing the fab process, they put baffles in all their tanks Please dont take this as a shot to your fabrication prowess or craftsmanship just a heads up by the way I will probably be shamelessly ripping of some of your pilot house design elements ;D ...if thats ok. Picking up my kit soon

JT
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Grady300 on October 28, 2013, 02:25:01 PM
Arne
Looks awesome nice looking cabin/wheelhouse
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on October 28, 2013, 07:01:02 PM
The only reason I ask is I work for a company that makes tanks for alot of the major alum. Manufacturers I dont work in the tank shop I work in the fabrication shop (much nicer) man those guys are always black with soot, takes a special breed of person to work there.  Anyway seeing the fab process, they put baffles in all their tanks Please dont take this as a shot to your fabrication prowess or craftsmanship just a heads up by the way I will probably be shamelessly ripping of some of your pilot house design elements ;D ...if thats ok. Picking up my kit soon

JT

No shame to be had. I ripped off most of the design elements from a popular northwest manufacturer of fiberglass boats. As far as baffles go, I didn't worry about it because my old boat had a poly tank without baffles and it never gave me any problems.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: jtcustoms on October 28, 2013, 07:10:50 PM
Cool keep up the good work!

JT
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: jtcustoms on October 28, 2013, 07:16:37 PM
Btw I see you are from dallas I lived in Monmouth while my wife got her degree at WOU
I worked at tyco, formerly praegitzers in dallas
Fished every nook and cranny from valsetz to the Columbia
Ahhhh.... good times

JT
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on October 28, 2013, 07:24:57 PM
Btw I see you are from dallas I lived in Monmouth while my wife got her degree at WOU
I worked at tyco, formerly praegitzers in dallas
Fished every nook and cranny from valsetz to the Columbia
Ahhhh.... good times

JT

Cool. Where are you now?
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: jtcustoms on October 28, 2013, 08:19:05 PM
North Way North up in the Bellingham area still make it down that way from time to time love camping and fishing on the coast my best friend lives in Albany so we meet up on the coast

JT
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: peterl on November 17, 2013, 08:03:58 AM
Hey Arne, the build looks great. Are you still going with scuppers? If so, did you order taller stringers, and/or are you adding shims (canted or not)?

TIA
Peter
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on November 17, 2013, 09:20:02 AM
Yep, a self draining cockpit is one of my basic requirements. I went with 8" tall Versalam stringers and my cockpit sole will finish at 2" above those. Not going to cant the sole. I think I'll be OK without out it.

Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on December 01, 2013, 06:51:48 PM
Here are some updated pics. Been working on miscellaneous glassing, trim, and interior parts. Started framing for the cockpit sole today but no pics of that yet.

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7653_zps5a3594cf.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7653_zps5a3594cf.jpg.html)

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7652_zpsa1f408e2.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7652_zpsa1f408e2.jpg.html)

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7651_zpsa52a0491.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7651_zpsa52a0491.jpg.html)

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7646_zps1a82bd90.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7646_zps1a82bd90.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on December 15, 2013, 06:33:41 PM
Been working on the cockpit sole. There will be a removable panel to access the fuel tank. Directly behind that will be the fish box with a hinged lid. Outboard of the stringers on both sides will be hinged access doors for storing rods under deck and access for periodic hull inspections. Between all of these are 1" deep gutters to allow water to drain to the scuppers. The lids will also be sealed with closed cell foam gaskets.

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7666_zps84c3b421.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7666_zps84c3b421.jpg.html)

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7671_zpsa182ca6a.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7671_zpsa182ca6a.jpg.html)

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7677_zps44500793.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7677_zps44500793.jpg.html)

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7674_zpsa91ce192.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7674_zpsa91ce192.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: jim shula on December 15, 2013, 07:14:48 PM
Good idea on the outboard storage compartments and gutter system.  How much did you raise the deck over the stringers?
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on December 15, 2013, 07:33:36 PM
Good idea on the outboard storage compartments and gutter system.  How much did you raise the deck over the stringers?

The deck is 2" above the stringers, which are 8" tall versa-lams.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: TFreeburg on December 15, 2013, 08:58:56 PM
I am so going to benefit from your tutoring.  I want to build a 24' Jumbo with the forward slant on the cuddy. Best wishes to you!!  Keep us posted.
Tom Freeburg
Snohomish, WA
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Frank Olsen on December 15, 2013, 11:02:19 PM
Excellent job on the deck! I can't wait to see the finished product. I debated building a similar gutter system in my jumbo, but instead took the easy way out and just laid down a sealed deck. I did put a bit of crown in it so water will tend toward the sides and its sloped aft to scuppers in the corners.
Thanks for keeping us updated with pictures and keep up the good work.

Frank
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on January 12, 2014, 05:49:36 PM
I planned out how I was going to do the cockpit and then sat and stared at it for a while. I knew my plan would be very time consuming and that I could just put down a sealed cockpit sole in a couple of days. I decided that access to the fuel tank, under deck storage, and a fish box were important enough to me to invest the time. I'm glad I did but I'll also be glad when it's complete.

The cockpit sole and hatch lids are glassed:
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7685_zpsf42e33fb.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7685_zpsf42e33fb.jpg.html)

Fish box:
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/DSCF7689_zpsf13acdd9.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/DSCF7689_zpsf13acdd9.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: LittleGoat on January 13, 2014, 10:18:02 AM
That looks slick. I was thinking of doing the same thing. Was it difficult to plan your layout or was the worse part putting the plan into motion?
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on January 13, 2014, 07:01:29 PM
That looks slick. I was thinking of doing the same thing. Was it difficult to plan your layout or was the worse part putting the plan into motion?

I spent plenty of time planning, sketching, and head scratching before I started to cut pieces up but the assembly part was the most time consuming. Figuring it all out and making it come together is the fun part for me. Glassing and fairing is tedious and takes a lot of discipline for me to get through.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Easygoing on January 13, 2014, 08:42:39 PM
Looking real nice, Arne.  I really like your gutter system; I have been thinking that's the way to do a floor ever since I got the Tolman-itis bug.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on February 16, 2014, 08:15:18 PM
Last few weeks have been spent on the splash well, transom build-out, interior side panels, and gunwales.

I'll have to get a better pic of the transom interior for the next post:
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7696_zpsf9d555ff.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7696_zpsf9d555ff.jpg.html)


2" ABS pipe for a controls/wiring chase:
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7701_zpsf6aa5c21.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7701_zpsf6aa5c21.jpg.html)

Side panels installed:
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7708_zps396be486.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7708_zps396be486.jpg.html)


Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress
Post by: Arne K on February 16, 2014, 08:19:38 PM
Gunwale exterior sides installed. Will fair out the storage shelves before installing gunwale cap pieces.

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7715_zpsab20df20.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7715_zpsab20df20.jpg.html)

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7709_zps87f80bf2.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7709_zps87f80bf2.jpg.html)

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7714_zps7ecac5e6.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7714_zps7ecac5e6.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Frank Olsen on February 16, 2014, 09:19:18 PM
Nice work. Your raised gunnels around the cockpit are very reminiscent of a SeaSport. Was that your inspiration? Your boat is looking good.

Frank
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on February 16, 2014, 09:34:45 PM
Nice work. Your raised gunnels around the cockpit are very reminiscent of a SeaSport. Was that your inspiration? Your boat is looking good.

Frank

Yes, I have been using the SeaSport XL2400 as a basis for my topsides design, especially the pilothouse. The gunwales and side panels are pretty similar to what my old 21' GlasPly had. Under the storage shelves are sealed flotation chambers, which will provide enough to support the outboards. I'll be adding a deck plate to ventilate the flotation chambers when stored.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Frank Olsen on February 16, 2014, 09:45:34 PM
My last boat was a Glasply 21' too. Pretty tough boat IMO.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on February 16, 2014, 10:04:19 PM
Bulletproof. I always felt safe in it. However, the fuel consumption was high because of the heavily built hull and sterndrive power.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: UB on March 10, 2014, 07:01:52 PM
WOW, like the side storage box idea!
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on March 10, 2014, 08:10:18 PM
A little more progress...

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7728_zps95e74130.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7728_zps95e74130.jpg.html)

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7716_zps86ccfec5.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/DSCF7716_zps86ccfec5.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Oyster on March 11, 2014, 05:12:07 AM
That's some very nice work. I like the storage compartments in the sides. Are you planning on putting any lips on the bottom edges or are you going to use doors?
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: David Nolan on March 14, 2014, 07:16:38 AM
I am continually amazed at the imagination and great ideas you guys come up with.   

 I just toss all my stuff in a giant heap up on the dash until the sun ruins it.     My expensive trolling lures go in a bucket and invariably get gas or oil and sun on them and all melt together which I take great delight in watching gary's mouth fall open when we prep the boat for the next trip...
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: flatsjunky on March 14, 2014, 07:25:03 AM
Yea David I agree.  But when we need more storage space we just get a larger bucket.  LoL.  The man does do good wook.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on March 14, 2014, 10:54:28 AM
That's some very nice work. I like the storage compartments in the sides. Are you planning on putting any lips on the bottom edges or are you going to use doors?

Thanks guys. The storage compartments were part of the solution to my desire for higher gunwales. There is about a 1/2" lip created by the openings in the side panels being smaller than the storage compartments.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: mjggjm12 on March 14, 2014, 01:39:27 PM
Looks awesome, nice work Arne
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Grady300 on March 26, 2014, 04:07:18 PM
Good looking lockers with dual function great idea Arne
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on August 02, 2015, 08:33:29 PM
I can't believe how long it's been since I last posted on this thread. I'm moving forward again. This weekend, I got the last of the fuel tank compartment ready to put the tank in its place permanently. I also got the permanent cockpit seat installed. Its primary purpose is to cover the fuel fill and vent hose routing. My short term goal is to finish the cockpit and have have it ready for primer before moving on to the forward half of the boat.

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/2015-08-01%2010.11.00_zpseyj8tkxm.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/2015-08-01%2010.11.00_zpseyj8tkxm.jpg.html)

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/2015-08-02%2015.42.40_zps4enpyd6h.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/2015-08-02%2015.42.40_zps4enpyd6h.jpg.html)

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/2015-08-02%2015.43.18_zpsksoiajqe.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/2015-08-02%2015.43.18_zpsksoiajqe.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on August 30, 2015, 12:20:29 PM
Got the hinges mounted to the access doors and temporarily screwed down to the sole. I'm going to embed threaded couplers in epoxy so that I'll be using machine screws to bolt the hinges down, rather than screwing into wood.

Open:
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/2015-08-30%2010.51.35_zpsgcgfi4rx.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/2015-08-30%2010.51.35_zpsgcgfi4rx.jpg.html)

Closed:
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/2015-08-30%2010.52.25_zpsl7uplvli.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/2015-08-30%2010.52.25_zpsl7uplvli.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: larspa on August 31, 2015, 08:00:53 AM
Yes, so many great ideas and only one boat. 

Where is the sump pump located?

te
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on August 31, 2015, 07:24:56 PM
The cockpit will be self bailing but there will be a couple of bilge pumps under the splashwell and one up in the cuddy cabin.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on December 23, 2015, 06:37:25 PM
Another overdue update on progress. Not much eye-candy but I did get the gunwales capped and rubrails installed. Need to sand them and 'glass them next.

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/2015-12-20%2015.27.38_zps3urgwiqk.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/2015-12-20%2015.27.38_zps3urgwiqk.jpg.html)
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/2015-12-20%2015.27.12_zps10j7nouv.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/2015-12-20%2015.27.12_zps10j7nouv.jpg.html)
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/2015-12-20%2015.27.05_zpscf8vfe4y.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/2015-12-20%2015.27.05_zpscf8vfe4y.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Cannon on December 23, 2015, 06:56:13 PM
Looks like a fine job to me!


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Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Grady300 on January 03, 2016, 10:52:52 PM
Arne,
She's looking real good are you go a get ready by this tuna season?
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on January 06, 2016, 08:22:44 PM
That would be nice but I'm not setting any deadlines.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: fishbite on February 09, 2016, 12:50:36 AM
Gday Arne,
I'm envious of your underfloor storage lockers, and I do like the raised seaport gunwales a lot, I was looking at that myself, are you able to shoot a pic of the Side from far away to show the whole boat?

Cheers
Ben
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on February 09, 2016, 07:03:58 PM
I would love to but I can't get more than 4' from the side to take a picture. I'm a little anxious to see how the boat looks in profile myself. The storage lockers and gutter system for the self draining cockpit was extremely labor intensive. I hope it works like I planned.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: Arne K on February 21, 2016, 07:17:30 PM
Not much eye candy recently. Just lots of glass, fairing, and sanding.

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/2016-02-21%2018.07.42_zpss9hpcam1.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/2016-02-21%2018.07.42_zpss9hpcam1.jpg.html)

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/2016-02-21%2018.07.13_zpshzrvfngm.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/2016-02-21%2018.07.13_zpshzrvfngm.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Started
Post by: MoPoxy on February 21, 2016, 07:44:15 PM
Just lots of glass, fairing, and sanding.

Seems like the fairing and sanding never ends. Was on my knees sanding the interior chines today. Non-blushing epoxy eliminates lots of sanding but still seems like it never ends.

What is the hump (for lack of a better term) on top of your shelves aft of midship?
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Progress Update
Post by: Arne K on February 21, 2016, 08:36:54 PM
Raised gunwales with storage around the cockpit.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Arne K on May 08, 2016, 03:20:33 PM
Primer! Now more sanding...
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/IMG_4795_zpsu9lsstt6.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/IMG_4795_zpsu9lsstt6.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Randy Zimmerman on May 09, 2016, 07:19:31 PM
Wow - what a great looking skiff. Your making great progress and will be enjoying it soon on the water.

Randy
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: tananaBrian on May 10, 2016, 04:21:31 AM
Nice accurate work and attention to detail ...I can tell you're  more of wood worker than I'll ever be, and the skiff shows it!  Good on ya...

bd

Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Cannon on May 11, 2016, 08:09:53 AM
I have to admit, I am more interested in fishing than fairing and painting. My lust to get back on the water has driven me to put on more of a fifteen mile per hour finish, at least on the outside. Your patience is commendable!
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Arne K on February 05, 2017, 04:32:06 PM
I guess it's time for another update on my slow motion build. The exterior is 95% faired and ready for another coat of primer. I'm working to get the interior ready so I can shoot primer on everything at the same time. As you can see, the helm and the seat boxes are built. I used cant strip at all of the vertical to horizontal intersections and filleted heavily. After it cures I'll sand to attain a large radius. With the suspensions, the seats are going to be up pretty high so I need to figure out something for foot rests that won't get in the way when stepping up to the seat.

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/20170205_154139_zpsvoqyatzo.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/20170205_154139_zpsvoqyatzo.jpg.html)
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/20170205_154205_zpsw9lv7qpx.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/20170205_154205_zpsw9lv7qpx.jpg.html)
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/20170205_154229_zpswzlofcpd.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/20170205_154229_zpswzlofcpd.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Cordell on February 23, 2017, 05:32:28 PM
The boat is looking great Arne! I've enjoyed seeing the progress. I think the raised gunwales look good. Ron and I went back and forth for a bit about doing that early on,but oped for the easier rout. I was glad to be able to see them on a Tolman! Thank you.

Your guttered floor with its great under deck access may have inspired us to put alot more time into our back deck. We have had no interest in introducing water weather rain,washdown, or seawater into the bilge. Unfortunately the "sealed hatches" that are available stick up off the floor and still leak. Yours looks to be a geat though time consuming solution.  On our jumbo i picture the outside stringer access spanning across the web stringers to access both sides of the web stringer for storage.

  What did you use for the access  lids/lips and deck materials?
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Arne K on February 23, 2017, 08:01:30 PM
The lids are 1/2" MDO. The edges of the MDO are capped with 1/4" x 5/8" fir so that it is flush with the top and hangs down below the edge. This is all glassed on top with 10oz glass and just epoxy coated underneath. The seal will be 5/16" x 3/4" closed cell neoprene gasket. The gutter system was a real pain to build and probably added 6 weeks to my project duration (working on it part time of course). If I had to do it again and wasn't too cheap, I would go with factory made hatches and recessed them so as to end up flush with the cockpit sole.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: SmokinFletch on March 06, 2017, 06:33:24 AM
nice helm
Skiffs looking good
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Arne K on March 19, 2017, 08:50:48 AM
Primer in the wheelhouse. Top coating today.

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/2017-03-18%2011.42.03_zpssttj9ibx.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/2017-03-18%2011.42.03_zpssttj9ibx.jpg.html)

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/2017-03-18%2011.41.36_zpsbsgjmd33.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/2017-03-18%2011.41.36_zpsbsgjmd33.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Arne K on March 19, 2017, 02:56:26 PM
And now with color.

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/IMG_5037_zpsmwjdp4vm.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/IMG_5037_zpsmwjdp4vm.jpg.html)

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/IMG_5036_zpsroswd5u9.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/IMG_5036_zpsroswd5u9.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: jklistof on March 19, 2017, 03:36:06 PM
Lookin good
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: gdwamsley on March 19, 2017, 04:25:03 PM
Looks real clean. I don't see any tape joints at all. Nice. I know I don't have that kind of patience.

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Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: sakatanick on March 19, 2017, 09:26:32 PM
It looks great with the paint on!  Thanks for the update.


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Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Cannon on March 21, 2017, 07:43:54 PM
Glad she ain't naked anymore Arne[emoji56]


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Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: cj8mule on March 21, 2017, 08:23:32 PM
Very nice job! 
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: david.nolan.940 on March 23, 2017, 06:37:13 AM
looks like mine (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170323/0ef1dd1cb4733b4f5607a5c6479210d9.jpg)

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Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Arne K on April 02, 2017, 06:53:36 PM
Last full coat of primer today and then filled a few spots. Will sand and spot prime tomorrow. Hopefully color on Tuesday night.

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/IMG_5039_zpspzz3rygr.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/IMG_5039_zpspzz3rygr.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: cj8mule on April 05, 2017, 07:57:18 PM
Alright Arne....  I've waited patiently...  it's Wednesday night and no new color pictures!   lol.

Great job!
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Arne K on April 06, 2017, 05:24:51 PM
Sorry for the interruption in programming!

First top coat...

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/Arnek/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/IMG_5046_zpsscwiskr0.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Arnek/media/Tolman%20Skiff%20Stretched%20Wide%20Body%20Build/IMG_5046_zpsscwiskr0.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: bullet on April 06, 2017, 09:29:19 PM
That's some nice work. I'm sure we can all appreciate the effort you put in. Well done.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: cj8mule on April 07, 2017, 12:44:58 PM
Beautiful craftsmanship there Arne!
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: calmwaters on April 10, 2017, 09:53:23 PM
Looks great Arne! I might have missed it but what kind of primer and paint are you using? How much have you used so far?
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Arne K on April 11, 2017, 02:37:36 AM
I changed my mind about keeping it simple and went in the opposite direction. I used PPG epoxy primer and PPG PSX 700 Epoxy Polysiloxane for the top coat. Both sprayed on. The PSX 700 is high gloss and super hard but was somewhat difficult to spray. I ended up with noticeable orange peel on the second coat but am OK with it because it helps camouflage my less than perfect fairing. Note that I'm not very experienced with spraying paint and don't have pro quality equipment.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Maineiac on April 11, 2017, 11:00:47 AM
I wouldn't worry about the orange peel. The downeast skiff I painted last yearwith Alexseal, the compressor couldn't keep up. I'm gonna roll and tip the same product on another project this year.


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Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Arne K on April 23, 2017, 05:56:43 PM
Put in about 20 hours applying Durabak this weekend. It's a little sloppy in places but it's done.

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Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Cannon on April 24, 2017, 08:48:46 AM
Looking good Arne!


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Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Arne K on May 07, 2017, 07:37:37 AM
Got the final coat of paint on the cockpit and all of the Durabak is done.

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Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Maineiac on May 09, 2017, 04:55:15 AM
Got the final coat of paint on the cockpit and all of the Durabak is done.

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Looks great!


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Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Cannon on May 09, 2017, 05:25:06 PM
Arne, do the storage compartments on the side drain? Your layout required some serious thought, very impressive!
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Arne K on May 09, 2017, 07:34:36 PM
Arne, do the storage compartments on the side drain? Your layout required some serious thought, very impressive!

Yes, there are 1/4" drain holes at the fore and aft ends of the gunwale storage compartments. The layout was definitely challenging to plan and to execute.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: larspa on July 15, 2018, 08:59:49 PM
Arne,

Anything new to report.  May we see pictures of the finished product?   (You set a high bar for the rest of us.  Gotta make sure my wife doesn't see this!)

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Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Arne K on July 19, 2018, 07:01:08 PM
I wish I did have progress to report. I'm on a really intense, high profile construction project and I've been pretty much just working and sleeping for the past year. I've only fished one day this year but am trying to get the project into a position where I can take time off for deer and elk seasons in October.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Cannon on July 19, 2018, 07:59:13 PM
Arne, We still have a fishing appointment! The boat is there in Newport. Any day of the week, we can do a tuna run, halibut run, salmon run...bottom fish! Give me a couple days notice and we are fishing!
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Arne K on July 22, 2018, 06:03:55 PM
Arne, We still have a fishing appointment! The boat is there in Newport. Any day of the week, we can do a tuna run, halibut run, salmon run...bottom fish! Give me a couple days notice and we are fishing!

Thanks Kent!
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Arne K on January 08, 2019, 07:53:01 PM
Finally found a couple of weekends to put some time in my project. Paint is done (no more sanding!) and windows have been ordered. I have a pile of wiring supplies and electrical components ready for my next opportunity to work on it.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Easygoing on January 08, 2019, 08:25:14 PM
Looks nice, Arne! What brand of windows did you order, if I may ask?
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Arne K on January 08, 2019, 08:32:28 PM
Bounty Marine. They're local to me.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Cannon on January 09, 2019, 10:18:53 AM
Looking good Arne


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Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Arne K on February 03, 2019, 04:41:22 PM
Been making progress on rigging, plumbing and wiring. Still a ways to go but I could hang motors on it and run them. I'm holding off on buying them until the last minute. I'd rather the warranty run out a month after the season starts rather than a month before.

Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Easygoing on February 03, 2019, 05:10:21 PM
Looking good, Arne!
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Cannon on February 05, 2019, 08:35:31 PM
Arne, what are you planning on hanging on the back?


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Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Arne K on February 06, 2019, 04:59:59 AM
Yamaha F115 + T9.9
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Cannon on February 06, 2019, 06:35:33 AM
Yamaha OB’s are notorious for cooking AGM batteries. I would look into it a little further before committing to the AGM’S.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Oyster on February 06, 2019, 06:31:47 PM
Yamaha OB’s are notorious for cooking AGM batteries. I would look into it a little further before committing to the AGM’S.
Please comment a bit more about this please. I am running a Suzuki with my AGM batteries and I have noticed that they do not stay charged as long as they did last year. They are only a year old. My representative here says that they are supposed to maintain a static 12.6 volts at rest. But they do drop to around 12.4 after a day or rest with nothing on and after running.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Arne K on February 06, 2019, 06:34:48 PM
Thanks for the heads up. I know gel-cell batteries are finicky about charging rates but didn't realize that AGM's are. Anyone have firsthand experience with AGM's, whether failing or providing goo service?
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: TFreeburg on February 06, 2019, 07:37:24 PM
Nigel Calder has written a great book: Boatowner’s Mechanical and Electrical Manual, which I have just begun to read.  I have borrowed it as an “ebook” from our local library.  I think it will be very helpful in my future planning.  From another source (the internet) I have also learned that Yamaha designed their motors to charge wet, lead-filled batteries, and they only recharge the gel batteries to about 85% capacity.  Someone else will have to provide more details here; it gets above my pay grade pretty quickly in this topic.  The bottom line seems to be that if you want to use the gel battery you have to provide an upgraded charging system. (I think ....)
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Arne K on February 06, 2019, 07:43:55 PM
I intend to stay away from gel cells. Absorbed Glass Mat is what I intend to use. I went to AGM in my RV a year ago and it is a big improvement over traditional lead acid battery it replaced.
Title: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Cannon on February 06, 2019, 08:34:15 PM
I did my research a couple of years ago. At that time, Yamaha discouraged using AGM and gel type batteries. The issue was related to the Yamaha charging system being too hot for this type of battery. Heat being the primary factor if I recall correctly.
That being said, some have run both Yamaha and the discouraged batteries with no issues, but there are others who have and had issues. BUT, most people have never wired a boat, and have no idea of the potential problems involved.


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Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Cordell on February 11, 2019, 08:57:35 AM
Well I did not do my homework on this particular item.  I figured modern outboard should work OK with AGM seemed like a no brainier to me Yamaha.
   We run an F200. We have a group 27 start and 2 group 30 house batteries all AGM utilizing a Blue Sea ACR. At least there is a fair amount of battery behind it. I did put in a dual battery volt meter wired directly. I believe 14.3 is the highest I have ever seen it but I'm not sure if I have looked at it on a long run at high speed.  I assume there are voltage regulating options I may have to look into depending on how the charging voltage looks underway.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Arne K on March 03, 2019, 05:39:24 PM
There aren't too many welding days in a Tolman Skiff build but today was one of them. I'm converting a roller trailer into a bunks and built cross members for it today. Off to the galvanizer tomorrow.

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Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Arne K on March 10, 2019, 08:07:58 PM
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Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: calmwaters on March 10, 2019, 08:39:54 PM
That is one stout trailer, double the cross members a stock trailer would have.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Arne K on March 11, 2019, 07:17:06 PM
It's a single axle (5200#) trailer and I lengthened it for my 23'-6" boat so I want to distribute the weight better and increase the stiffness of the frame.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Arne K on April 07, 2019, 10:52:47 AM
Bunks installed and ready to set the boat on. Used dry tight-knot cedar covered with 10oz cloth and finished with graphite mix.

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Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Arne K on April 14, 2019, 05:35:00 PM
Glass is installed. So close but yet so far...

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Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Kobuk on April 23, 2019, 11:52:21 AM
Thanks for the heads up. I know gel-cell batteries are finicky about charging rates but didn't realize that AGM's are. Anyone have firsthand experience with AGM's, whether failing or providing goo service?
AGM's have real specific charging requirements; they can be damaged by overcharging, and their cycle life is shortened by undercharging. I run them in my land vehicles and was going to use one with a Yam F70, but after researching I've learned Yamaha recommends against them. I think the risk in this case is overcharging. Yamaha uses a high output alternator (15vdc/17amps for the F70) and doesn't regulate down to the 13.6vdc trickle charge that the battery wants when it hits a particular charge threshold...  As much as I really want to use an AGM, I'm becoming resigned to sticking with a wet cell battery.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Arne K on April 29, 2019, 06:39:34 PM
Big milestone this weekend...

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Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: bullet on April 29, 2019, 06:53:18 PM
Wow, nice! That’s a big milestone and a great feeling. Congrats
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: TFreeburg on April 30, 2019, 07:40:49 AM
Nice work!  Your outcome is the reason I’m reading this forum so intently.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Arne K on April 30, 2019, 07:28:18 PM
Things are moving along pretty quickly now. I'm going to finish setting up the trailer this coming weekend and then take the boat back off and put it on stands so I can put another coat on the bottom since it's a little rough from over spray. Next, I need to build the kicker bracket and radar arch. Other than that it't just some minor details like mounting seats, a little bit of wiring and some touch up here and there.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Arne K on July 28, 2019, 08:21:39 PM
Finally got a day free to work on my project. Finished the radar arch. The welds look terrible but are functional. Even with a good wire feed and the right wire and gas, I still wasn't able to get the welds to flow. I should have gotten my hands on a tig machine but oh well, it's a fishing boat.

Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Grady300 on July 29, 2019, 12:29:37 PM
Best Looking Wide Body Ever IMHO. Nice work Arne !!!
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Arne K on August 03, 2019, 08:22:43 PM
Progress made! The recent tuna bite motivated me and my wife is out of town this weekend so I took the day off yesterday and kicked it into high gear. Radar arch mounted and wiring pulled into the wheelhouse. Still need to terminate the connections but only a few more hours on that task. Went down to CPS Marine and used their jig to drill holes for the main. The F115 and T9.9 will be here either next weekend or the following Monday. Crossing my fingers for the weekend of course. All of the rigging is done so it should be plug and play. Yamaha has a special going right now so they're going to come with a 5 year warranty. Stopped at the weigh station on the way. I'm at 2,150 lbs dry weight. With motors, battery and a tank of fuel, I should be just a little north of 3,000. I started talking TR-1 with the dealer and found out that Garmin has replaced it with a new model, the Reactor 40 which appears to be a simpler installation. I might wait until spring for that.

Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Arne K on August 18, 2019, 08:24:53 PM
Splashed!
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: TFreeburg on August 18, 2019, 09:17:24 PM
CONGRATS!!
Beautiful work!
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: UP Tolman on August 19, 2019, 06:36:56 AM
Congratulations! Beautiful work! Enjoy it now!
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Grady300 on August 19, 2019, 12:57:43 PM
looks Great Arne!!!! Congrats!!! Whats top speed with the 115?
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: jklistof on August 19, 2019, 04:40:31 PM
Nice looking boat!
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Arne K on August 19, 2019, 07:27:33 PM
I was having issues with the prop yesterday. It seemed like it was ventilating or spinning on the hub. When I got home, I realized that there was a plastic ring that came with the prop to snap on at the front to close a gap between the prop and gear case. The instructions said it was only to be used on certain motors and was vague about specific models. Anyway, I was at 35mph at 6100 rpm. Also, calculations indicate 26% slip at the 4500 cruise speed so I'm thinking that the gap was causing exhaust to flow over the prop, effectively causing it to ventilate. If that's the case, I will probably see some different numbers when I test again with the ring installed. I want to fish Friday so I may run back over to Devil's Lake after work on Wednesday to try it out, if I can find someone free to give me a hand.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Grady300 on August 20, 2019, 07:15:23 AM
35MPH is great! if I was going to be over in Lincoln City I would give you a hand. I just got back from tuna fishing yesterday. Not going back till labor day weekend.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Progress Update
Post by: Arne K on August 22, 2019, 10:30:34 PM
Thanks Chuck. Maybe see you next weekend. I went ahead and bought a Garmin Reactor 40 Kicker pilot and finished installing it tonight. Heading over to Devil's lake in the morning for calibration and to see what the prop does now that I got that plastic ring installed.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Build Complete!
Post by: Arne K on August 26, 2019, 07:39:53 PM
Got back to Devil's Lake Friday morning and retested. Hit the same WOT's, gained 1 mph, and about .2 mpg. Slip calcs out to 20% at 4500 and 13% at 6100. The Garmin Reactor 40 was pretty easy to set up with one call to customer service from the water. Went home, loaded up salmon and bottom fishing gear, and headed to Newport. Spent Friday night on the boat and was out fishing while the line was building up at the launch Saturday morning. Finally got something's blood besides mine on it. Salmon fishing was kind of slow but managed 2 keepers then gave up on the salmon around noon and went and got our ling cod and a few sea bass.

 Thanks to Dave B for the photos.

Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Complete!
Post by: Arne K on September 04, 2019, 07:04:37 PM
Just wanted to give some final performance data. Monday, went to the Pig (~40 miles) with 5 guys on board, 150# of ice, and a couple of uninvited coolers full of beer. The wind chop was down but the 4' swells were still a little close at around 8-9 seconds. Maintained 18-22 mph on the way out. Trolled for 5 hours and picked up 7 tuna. 5 were right around 15#, one smaller, and one at 20#. Flew back in on a much kinder, gentler ocean at 5100 rpm and 28 mph. Opened it up and hit 5700 rpm at 32 mph. Fuel used was 25.3 gallons.
 I was concerned about running that far with that much weight but in typical Tolman fashion, the boat performed beyond expectations.  By the way, the prop is a Turning Point 4 blade, 15 pitch. I still need a spare so I might order a Yamaha 3 blade to see what difference it makes.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Complete!
Post by: Grady300 on September 05, 2019, 07:36:45 AM
Very impressive numbers Arne with so much weight on board!!! Great MPH also, Yep Tolman's rock!!!
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Complete!
Post by: GS on September 24, 2019, 04:50:10 PM
Very nice looking Tolman. Congrats. Just for an interesting comparison I built a 23'6" jumbo with a Merc 115 4 stroke pushing it. My weight is pretty much the same as yours loaded but I took a minimalist type of approach on ammenities. My prop is a 3 blade aluminum 13.75 x 15, WOT 36 mph @ 5900.  Enjoy your time on a really fun solid boat that I know you worked hard on.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Complete!
Post by: tananaBrian on September 25, 2019, 07:34:58 AM
Yes ... congrats to you!  Your boat turned out beauteous!

I really like how the house and cuddy came out, the curved top of the visor especially ... sweet lines on that boat!

Brian

Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Complete!
Post by: bullet on September 25, 2019, 11:41:39 AM
Very nice, congratulations
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Complete!
Post by: barrelroll on November 04, 2020, 10:15:43 AM
I've read through your build a couple times and really like a lot of your ideas for my 23'4" wide body I'm planning on building. Your pictures have been really helpful in figuring out a bunch of things and I really like your raised sides in the rear. A couple questions:

Why did you go with a wide body instead of a jumbo? With a full cabin and a kicker do you feel like it's too much weight for the wide body?

How long is your cabin floor from the middle bulkhead to the rear bulkhead?

How are you liking the Yamaha? Is it enough power? A Yamaha 115 or a Suzuki 140 are the 2 engines at the top of my list

If you were to do it over again would you build your side extensions like you built them or leave the hull sides and transom long and trim them once flipped to make the sides?

Thanks for the help
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Complete!
Post by: Arne K on November 04, 2020, 12:56:22 PM
Why did you go with a wide body instead of a jumbo? With a full cabin and a kicker do you feel like it's too much weight for the wide body?
My considerations at the time were weight, economy, and build time.

How long is your cabin floor from the middle bulkhead to the rear bulkhead?
I can't remember for sure at the moment but I think it's 5'-6"

How are you liking the Yamaha? Is it enough power? A Yamaha 115 or a Suzuki 140 are the 2 engines at the top of my list
I'm happy with the Yamaha. With the 4-blade prop, it has plenty of responsiveness. When heavily loaded, easy cruise speed is 22mph and on long runs on flat days I can run 28mph at 5100 rpm without losing fuel economy.

If you were to do it over again would you build your side extensions like you built them or leave the hull sides and transom long and trim them once flipped to make the sides?

I wouldn't change a thing. My raised gunwales are just the right height for leaning on and the easy access storage for frequently used items is handy.

Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Complete!
Post by: barrelroll on March 08, 2021, 08:42:21 PM
Thanks for the info. I'm definitely going to borrow you side box idea now that I'm going with a raised floor. How tall are they / how wide are they at the shelf?

Thanks a ton
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Complete!
Post by: Arne K on March 16, 2021, 10:50:56 PM
I don't remember but I'll try to get a pic with a tape measure in the next couple of days.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Complete!
Post by: Arne K on April 14, 2021, 07:42:15 PM
This is how fast a few days goes by around here. ;D
Anyway, here are some pics:
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Complete!
Post by: barrelroll on April 21, 2021, 07:24:50 AM
Thanks, those really help. I think I'm going to run them to the front of the pilot house for some added storage.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Complete!
Post by: bent rod/larry v on May 01, 2021, 06:26:49 AM
Arne,

I am working on my transom layout (22'-6") Jumbo and I like what you've done.  A couple questions. 

I currently have a wide transom cutout that allows for the kicker to be mounted next to the main motor.  However, a set up like yours with the kicker on a bracket allows for much more and taller storage at the transom with a narrow splashwell for the main motor.  I assume you use the kicker and operate it manually from the transom while trolling.  How comfortable/convenient is that  with your set up?

Also, does you deck drain through the scuppers when the boat is at rest?  My prior boats have had a small slop well at the transom that the deck drained into but I an thinking of a sealed deck for the Jumbo.  Thanks.

Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Complete!
Post by: Arne K on May 01, 2021, 06:38:25 AM
I have a Reactor 40 Kicker pilot on mine. I have operated the outboard manually but it's not something I would want to do for hours of trolling. No, my scuppers don't drain at rest. I put the ping pong ball valves in them to keep water from rushing in when backing into swells and they work well for that. However, they do let some water trickle in when at rest, especially when I have a half tote with a couple hundred pounds of ice on deck or people fishing at the back corners. At salmon trolling speeds (1.5-2.5kn) they drain fine.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Complete!
Post by: Cannon on May 01, 2021, 07:52:16 AM
I have a similar setup for scuppers with one exception, mine drain to the sides and while fishing I plug them with plastic plumbing test plugs. My deck is raised 4 inches which helps, just not quite enough when you are fishing with big guys moving around on deck either netting or gaffing and especially with 500+ pounds of shaved salt ice!  The drain plugs solve all of that!
While underway, I pull the plugs and the deck drains well.
My kicker is mounted on a bracket which was intentional because I wanted the cabinet space. The cabinet on the starboard houses my autopilot pump, fuel filter and a fuse bus for downriggers, deck lighting, crab Davit, and wash down pump. The actual wash down pump is in the port side cabinet.
Oh and my kicker is also controlled by a reactor 40 as well.
Title: Re: 23'-6" Wide Body Complete!
Post by: bent rod/larry v on May 01, 2021, 08:28:55 AM
Arne and Cannon,

Thanks for the reply.  I'll likely keep the full splashwell. A Reactor 40 would be nice but I don't troll a lot.