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General Discussion Tolman Skiffs / Re: Southern Maryland Jumbo Build
« Last post by cj8mule on January 13, 2017, 04:12:07 PM »
Thanks for the info Bob.  Those prices included everything but the labor to install and seemed pretty well in-line with what I've seen online for pricing.  I probably won't end up with a new motor.  Like you, this boat is a cash deal and will be paid for as I go.

I have seen lots of used takeoffs around on THT.  Dave Nolan sent me a text the other day for a 2008 Yamaha F150 with 164 hours and controls for $7500.  If I had the cash.... it'd be in my garage right now.  Unfortunately, my diesel truck fuel pump went out which is an $8900 repair....  So, I'm just a little cash poor right now.   :o

I took advantage of the nice weather the last few days and spread the final coat of fairing.  I hope you were able to get some stuff done also.  I love the bow flare on your GA.

General Discussion Tolman Skiffs / Re: Have a reverence for fine wood?
« Last post by cbaker on January 13, 2017, 10:30:00 AM »
Here's some pictures of old growth fir and old growth redwood that we used on our 20ft Standard, it is all reclaimed wood.
General Discussion Tolman Skiffs / Re: Have a reverence for fine wood?
« Last post by BobC on January 13, 2017, 07:40:08 AM »
That is truly a beautiful site to behold.  You have scored some points with Porewit.  I also like to salvage antique or rare wood when possible and am always on the lookout for peices of dense grain or old growth wood.

I think I mentioned it on my build thread but last spring I was able to salvage a fair amount of teak decking from a derelict 85' Trumpy yacht I believe built in the 1921  named Luneta.  I hope to do much like you are doing and cut it into strips and epoxy it to Marine ply which will be used as the flooring in the forward v-berth and perhaps the cabin.  It's a lot of work but to me it is very rewarding and well worth the effort.  I also obtained some very nice dense grain fir from the same hull which I will be using as well.
General Discussion Tolman Skiffs / Re: Insurance
« Last post by BobC on January 13, 2017, 05:12:41 AM »
That matches up pretty much with what I read on them.  From what I understand, they are one of the few companies, if not the only one covering boats  custom built wooden boats being used in Alaska.  I was reading some stuff on their insurance for Sportfishermen.  Sounds like they have some nice options.  It also sounds like they are the actual underwriting agency for some more recognized companies when it comes to certain types of boats and certain geographic areas.

I guess Lloyd's of London will insure anything if you jump through the right hoops and are willing to pay enough.
General Discussion Tolman Skiffs / Re: Insurance
« Last post by cgrfish on January 13, 2017, 05:04:17 AM »
My policy is through markel.  I can't remember the price comparisons, but I was pleased when my agent called with the price.  I believe my premium is about 560 for an 82000 value.  They did require a survey, and the policy covers my normal use to 50 miles offshore, plus the area I plan to cruise in my dream cruise through the inland passage to Alaska.
General Discussion Tolman Skiffs / Re: Have a reverence for fine wood?
« Last post by saddlemaker on January 12, 2017, 07:39:59 PM »
  Got to love our old growth BC douglas fir.   !!   
General Discussion Tolman Skiffs / Have a reverence for fine wood?
« Last post by JoeEvens on January 12, 2017, 07:04:15 PM »
This is a cross post from Ifish. From the TEXAN II thread. My restoration of a 60 year old PC Dory.

After reading the last 65 pages of this forum, I have a sense of familiarity with this group, so forgive the fact that the spray rails aren't destined for a Tolman Skiff. However, if I live long enough to complete the next three projects, a Tolman Skiff would be a worthy build. I will save a few of these 18 ft 2x8s just in case.

For those of us who appreciate fine wood, here is a bit of eye candy. Ripped from 110 yr old lumber.

Douglas Fir porn.

You are looking at the 1/2" x 1 3/4" rips that I cut to laminate up for spray rails. Up to 20+ annual growth rings in a 1/2" strip.

Looking down at the edge of one of the new bottom frames. Ripped to four quarter. Approximately 60 years of growth in that one inch.

Some things just aren't meant to be, lol. After my prayer bones gave out this AM, from repetitive stress, scraping paint, I decided to do something interesting, for a change.

The task? Rip an 18' 2x8 into spray rails and new bottom frames.(D fir, old growth, clear, vertical grain, 40 grains per inch, give or take a few.) Too nice to mess up. I scored a few of these boards about 20 years back and have yet to cut one. They are big, heavy, dense boards. They were milled over 100 years ago. They were left in the top of the historic Vancouver School for Arts and Academics (Vancouver Washington) when constructed, about 1910, I believe. Those boards called to me, and I heeded. The General Contractor on the remodel/seismic project was not happy when I spirited them away, but they weren't his, either. I didn't tell him that I borrowed his crane to get them down. Heh Heh

I wasted about three hours trying to set up my table saw for the cuts. Rollers, stands, shopmates, etc, spread out catty corner
across the shop. (36 feet needed to make the rips) Never did get a warm fuzzy feeling that I could keep the board moving and against the fence. Fussed with an 8' fence extension for a while. Still no go. Pretty much of a two man job, I reluctantly admit.

After this break, I'll go back and do what I should have initially. I'll rip it on my radial arm saw. Not a favorite among boat builders, but I find that old 12" DeWalt to be a remarkably versatile and useful saw. I have a 12' 2x12 bolted to the table, with a rip fence along the side. The saw is powerful, quite accurate, and cuts at any position imaginable. Damn good tool, IMHO. It will do the job.

I was somewhat concerned about how much life those 110 year old 2x8s (1 3/4" x 7 3/4" x 18') had left in them. Not to worry. After a few rips I ended up with a 3/16' flitch, 18 ft long. When I picked it up from one end, it didn't even creak, just hung there in a perfect six foot arch. Outstanding! It finally broke, but not until I was very close to bending it into a 40" diameter hoop.
General Discussion Tolman Skiffs / Re: upgrading the Uncle keith Tolman Jumbo
« Last post by BobC on January 12, 2017, 05:51:44 PM »

picture before we revived him

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Why didn't you eat that?  I can smell it grillin' from here!

yeah, they fish em deep and use PVC pipe filled with concrete as "sleds" attached with light mono as a means of getting it deep.  Once down they snap the sled line and let the bait drift with a glowstick.   Juveniles are often caught when fishing shallower waters.  There are some interesting studies on the vertical behavior of tagged juvenile swordfish.
General Discussion Tolman Skiffs / Re: Insurance
« Last post by BobC on January 12, 2017, 05:41:55 PM »
Has anyone tried here?

Just curious how they compare with something like BoatUS
General Discussion Tolman Skiffs / Re: Southern Maryland Jumbo Build
« Last post by BobC on January 12, 2017, 05:24:11 PM »

Don't know if this helps you any in your decision and you may already know this.

The DF140 is somewhat a "weak" 140 as far as 140HP motors go.

The DF150 is a "strong" 150 with nearly twice the displacement.   It shares blocks with the 175 but tends to make a little better fuel economy than the 175 with the 175 being more suited to top end speed than fuel economy.

Although the 175 might bring a little more resale appeal to a boat and run out faster when conditions are perfect, I think the 150 is going to make the best motor to live with on that Jumbo. 

Here are some real world numbers posted up on THT comparing the exact 3 motors you mention.

"The DF150 makes about 159HP and the DF175 makes 178, but burns about 10-15% more fuel at cruise and 15-20% at WOT. The DF140 makes around 132HP.

For example, on the Pioneer 197SF listed in my Sig; Three boats, all with t-tops. Rigged the same, same fuel and persons, propped correctly.

DF140, 4100RPM 28MPH 6.70GPH 4.17MPG WOT 41MPH 11.3GPH

DF150, 3800RPM 31MPH 5.75GPH 5.39MPG WOT 47MPH 11.8GPH

DF175, 3800RPM 31MPH 6.90GPH 4.49MPG WOT 50MPH 13.8GPH

All three have incredable mileage, but the DF150 is the best choice in my mind, even though it is slower on the top end than the DF175. I REALLY like fishing all day on 10-15 gallons.

T2E "

Lots of boat shows in the next couple months. You might want to shop the price a little.  Based on online pricing, I would say your local dealer has about $1k commission built into the price he gave you unless he is including rigging and setup.
Not sure what the control/gauge package actual cost is.

 I'm hoping to get to do the same over the next couple months just to see what the market is and how much competition there is amongst dealers.
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